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Post subject: v8 conversion  PostPosted: Apr 01, 2012 - 11:34 PM
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so i just bought an 88 fiero formula. V6 with automatic trans.
i want to put a v8 in there but not sure if i should go vertical or horizontal.
i think horizontal would be cheaper but im not sure.

what would be cheaper..??
what would be easier..??
i want a gm ls series engine. like an LS6 or LS2.
and i want to keep it automatic..
i would need to find someone who does a conversion kit for that as well.
do u guys know of anyone ??
V8archie told me he doesnt do automatics trans. kits
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Apr 02, 2012 - 04:49 PM
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First, the correct terms are transverse or longitudinal. The stock Fiero is transverse and if you want an automatic that is one way to go. There aren't many options for an automatic if you want to go longitudinal. I have made adapters to use the Chrysler 42LE transmission with the LS engines but you will be limited to about 450 HP.
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Apr 02, 2012 - 06:46 PM
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thanks for the correction.. im really new at this whole scene.. ive been asking a whole lot of questions .. lol

would i have to do a lot of welding and cutting for that ???
or will it kinda bolt up as a transverse???

i dont know how to weld but i know of a guy who does.. but he does not at all have imagination to build a car..
i will be taking it somewhere for the can stretch the car...
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Apr 02, 2012 - 07:14 PM
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the reason i wanna do it automatic is cus the car is automatic. it would cost more money to buy all the parts to make it manual. instead of spending money on that i rather spend it on a better trans.
its not that im cheap. lol. but i wanna spend my money on the right things.
i wanted a ls2 but i dont like the idea of doing an electric water pump.
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Apr 02, 2012 - 11:49 PM
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Take a welding course. Your local community college probably offers one. MIG welding is not that difficult and the equipment is not too expensive (a few hundred dollars).
Stretching the Fiero chassis is not difficult. It is a good way to really get into the project. You will recover the cost of your welding course and welder on this operation alone.
If you can't stretch the Fiero chassis on your own, perhaps, you shouldn't be building a car that is this complex.
Just my nickel's worth.
BTW, you still have to strip that Fiero down to the chassis. If you think GM built crappy cars in the 80's, wait until you try to take one apart...lol.

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Post subject:   PostPosted: Apr 03, 2012 - 12:55 AM
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LOL. i know what u mean bout welding it my self. I am not afraid of learning how to weld. what im afraid of it alaignment. im going to do some reaserch on details ( step by step) on how to stretch a fiero. im an expert at taking things apart. lol.
the other concern is that since it will be my first time welding i wouldnt wanna do a cheap weld and the car break apart while driving.
the stretching is a very crusial and important part of the project. u know what i mean?
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Apr 03, 2012 - 01:01 AM
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what is a good brand of welder?
when i go buy one what should i look for ?
what to get and what not to get??
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Apr 03, 2012 - 01:25 AM
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Take the welding course, it will more than pay for itself in terms of experience and information. As the saying goes, "there is more to welding than melting metal". It is invaluable to be shown the correct methodology (heat settings, wire speed, molten pool observation, gun angles and speed, etc. etc.) for welding in various conditions by an expert welding instructor. After that it is a matter of experience. You will know when you are starting to make good welds.
Miller and Lincoln are the main name brand welders (I have a Miller dual voltage MIG welder). They are both a little pricey but will not disapoint you. Less expensive welders are certainly available but I have no experience with them so I hesitate to comment.
There are many threads on this site and elsewhere on stretching the Fiero chassis. Accuracy is not a problem if you are careful and take your time. It is all just basic geometry. I did mine alone, without removing the drive train (not necessarily recommended...lol). The finished stretch is accurate to 1/32".

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solrac,
I had an old Hobart welder that stopped working so I bought a Craftsman. When I got it home and set it up I found it wouldn't create a steady arc so I immediately took it back. I bought a Miller. Don't go with a cheap import or "economy" brand. You will regret it.
If you are serious about having a replica, you will need to do most of the build yourself. If you don't it will cost you so much you would be better buying the finished car, real or replica.
These are not toys. They are not simple. They are not cheap.
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Apr 03, 2012 - 03:58 AM
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what do u guys think of these items i saw on ebay??
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Miller-Millermatic-90-MIG-Welder-115-Volt-1-Phase-/260773988431?pt=BI_Welders&hash=item3cb757484f#ht_483wt_1227

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mig-Welder-Set-Millermatic-130XP-With-Tank-and-Regulator-/170817943965?pt=BI_Welders&hash=item27c58af99d#ht_500wt_1413
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Apr 03, 2012 - 04:42 AM
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i was dong more research on welder..
instead of the 130xp. should i save the money and get a 135 or even a 140???
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Apr 03, 2012 - 04:56 AM
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The 110-115 volt welders really don't have the power for good strong welds. If you are buying a welder go with a 240 volt unit, you will never regret it. Check ebay or CL and you can probably find a good used unit for a decent price.
 
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I agree (with both RT and EAMartin)..

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Post subject:   PostPosted: Apr 03, 2012 - 01:00 PM
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so at the end of my welding research i came to like the millermatic 211..
it has 115 and 230v..
now the question still stands..
transverse or longitudinal?
doing longitude would i have to cut into the firewall to make the engine fit?
or with the stretching and taking the truck off will it fit??
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Apr 03, 2012 - 04:29 PM
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Have you decided on the trans yet, that will define your packaging for you

I would go with the longitudinal set up, and you should be able to get the drivetrain in with just the stretch.

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