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22 Post subject: Relays,Flashers,etc. Electrical  PostPosted: Dec 27, 2006 - 06:12 PM
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I've been looking around at many post. All the info seems to be scattered all over. I was looking for ordering info. It would be great if all future electrial post happend in this thread.

Relays #
FLashers #
diaods #
wire 12,10,16,14

connectors

etc.

I did find this link in another post. It is a very informative read on relays and their uses.

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/relays/relays.html

Also a student of Jim Dinner created this great piece of info.

http://stweb.peelschools.org/sssweb/TTJ-WEB/pprelays/relays_files/frame.htm

Any one order from these guys?

http://www.waytekwire.com/

Please add more info on suppliers and other tech info.

Thanks

Greg

I'm using Jim's,Dale's build CD and db, jtm311 images to collect data, but the little things like the center piece in John's pic that looks like a junction box "?name" that looks like a positive input to multipule positive output.



Are the relay looking things with the cup shaped polished covers "flasher"?




Terminal block to connect some wires through the db's firewall.
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Dec 27, 2006 - 06:35 PM
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I'm foggy on the positve negative thing from the battery to the altenater and else where. Also what gauge is the main positive wire, and does it wire into a juntion box to feed the rest of the car. Does the altenater, starter,key start get a direct feed from the battery? What guage?

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Greg

Is this pic correct?



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Post subject:   PostPosted: Dec 27, 2006 - 10:04 PM
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The silver cup looking relays are flashers.

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Post subject:   PostPosted: Dec 27, 2006 - 10:26 PM
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Hey Greg. Here you can find everthing you would need to know.
http://www.the12volt.com/ also http://www.the12volt.com/relays/relays.asp
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Hey Greg, on my CD in the "Wiring and Diagrams" Folder, please look at
1) Alternator Wires - gauge of conductor and routing is there.
2) your diagram above is correct - the starter and alternator are bolted directly to the engine so grounds are not required.

Relays are pretty much a standard item at electrical shops. Make sure they are rated for 12 volts and that the terminals are 30, 87A, 87, 85 and 86. There are basically two types of this configuration, some have 87A as a NC (normally closed) circuit and some have it connected directly to the 87 terminal making it a NO ( normally open) terminal.

The hazard flasher connections can be found on my diagram called "Hazard Wires" the part number for the flasher is HD-12.

It can all get VERY confusing unless you start to write down all the items you want in your car and if they need a negative pulse or positive pulse to operate.

If you look at the file called "Relay List" on my CD and then pick and choose which items you want and need I can make a wiring diagram suited for your car.


Hope that helps,
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Hey Greg:

Here's the Painless Wiring link for their wiring manuals in PDF format.

http://www.painlesswiring.com/InfoSearch/manuals.php


Select a 12 or 18 circuit GM keyed column.



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Hi Greg:

Also check here for OEM wring, connectors and install tools.

http://www.eagleday.com/index.html

I have bought from them and they know what we are doing and can help out.


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Is a "Starter Relay" needed on a SC3800 or it that for Ford stuff? Thanks for the input guys. I'm making up a diagram of relays from everyones info using the template above. Jim does Riceburners new temp control need the extra relays?

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Hi Greg:

In my build diary is a complete set of pics of what comes with Rice's A/C control head kit.

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Here is dB's link
http://www.kitcentral.com/pn/html/modules.php?set_albumName=AC_System&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&page=5
I think the Vintage Air system comes with one relay already. It appears that the Rice98 AC head does not need any extra relays.

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I uploaded this some time ago. Its my Kwick Wire harness from NAERC. I took photos of all the pages in the manual. I trying to wire the chassis in digital form. I should have a PDF finished soon. So for us novices "the cat will be out of the bag" of this electrical stuff. Of course with the help everyone.

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http://www.kitcentral.com/pn/html/modules.php?set_albumName=album213&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&page=1

Sample


I think it has the flashers built on to it. Very Happy




 
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Can anyone fill in the blanks?

Thanks

Greg




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http://lambobuilder.com/edb/Misc/wiring.pdf shows the symbols. The symbol that looks like a speedometer is KPH to MPH in a real one.

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I could be wrong but I always thought the symbol that looks like a speedo is for cruise. I drove a BMW once and that was the same symbol. Here it is on the right side of the steering wheel with In/Out and + and - .



As for the rest;
2- Head Lights
3- Marker Lights
4- Interior Dome
5- Fog Lights
7- Door Unlock
8- Gas Door Unlock
9- Cruise Control
10- Door Lock

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Hey Jim, on your drawings, the No. 85 on relay that says ignition 12 v, is that the wires that comes out of the fuse box named for door locks, window power, ect...on kwik wires harness?

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