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Post subject: Dodge Viper V10  PostPosted: Feb 17, 2008 - 06:04 AM
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Has anyone thought of putting a dodge viper's V10 in a kit. I think that it is a front mounted RWD or AWD so you couldn't usse the same kind of tranny, but I wonder what kind of tranny you could use, I took a look at a generation1 viper engine with 40K for only $3,950 about a year ago but I haven't though about it again untill now. Any thought, ideas, or opinions? -Mike
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Feb 17, 2008 - 01:35 PM
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I considered a Viper V10 before I started my build but was at a loss as to what transaxle to use. It wasn't until long after I was building that I realized the only good way to harness all that horsepower is to run it through the Viper transmission and install the whole thing like Lamborghini does. Turn the engine and trans around with the front of the engine facing the back of the car and run the drive through a V-drive and back to a differential and IRS.
It will be a challenge but awesome when done.

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that engine is HEAVY and long, but if you did it backwards like KEVKEV it could work

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Those engines are very big I couldn't imagine any Transmission or Tranny holding that thing together in a replica.

I think KEVKEV has an LS1 in his car.
 
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An 8 liter Viper V10 is not all that heavy, it's all aluminum. (unlike the cast iron version V10 they put in Dodge trucks). But forget an Audi transaxle on it, they're 500 ft lbs stock.
Yes, kevkev has an LS1, also all aluminum.
 
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wire2 wrote:
An 8 liter Viper V10 is not all that heavy, it's all aluminum. (unlike the cast iron version V10 they put in Dodge trucks). But forget an Audi transaxle on it, they're 500 ft lbs stock.
Yes, kevkev has an LS1, also all aluminum.



Could an Audi hold up to such a powerplant?.

I would think my first choice would be a G50.
 
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Ya the engine is very light most of it is aluminum it weighs 711lbs and produces 400 hp@4600Rpms with 465lbs/ft of toruqe for the gen1 enginethat is, the curb weight is 3280lbs with a 0-60 in 4.4sec! so imagine a kit car with this in it. The gen2 engine however only weighs 650 lbs and produced 450hp I am not sure what the torque is but it can do the 0-60 in 4sec! now the new zbs have a 8.3L with two options 510hp w/535lbs/ft of torque and a 500hp with 525lbs/ft and for the 08 it has 560lbs torque with 600hp!!! according to my reasearch these engine have a desent gas mpg for the amount of torque they put out 21-22mpg. As for the gen2 I'v seen one as low as $6,499 however the gen1 is only 50hp less with 61 extra pounds on it for $4000+, the newer engines are so expensive that I wouldn't bother. I hope I didn't go on too long about the dodge vipers engine specs, but I though this coould help someone if they were concidering this engine. Thanks for all the replys fellows. -Mike
 
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If anyone thinks $4,000 or $6,499 is a lot of money to put out for 500+ hp, try building up any V8 to that and see how much that will cost. But like any engine, if you get one used, let the buyer beware.
I'd like to repeat my previous post. If you want to use the Viper V10, DON'T put the power through a transaxle. Use the Viper transmission and send it through a V-drive and back to a differential. No one makes a transaxle that will bolt to the Viper engine, so you would have to make your own adapter. Even then, there are almost no transaxles that would reliably handle that power, and if you found one, THAT would cost a ton of money too.
Big engines and big horsepower do not come cheap!

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There are some new gearboxes comming on the market soon, they all seem to be in the 10-12k but they have not finished testing, but they should be good for more than 600lb/ft of torque.

Then the problem becomes packaging it, if I am correct the V10 is about 6-10in longer than the V8.


Dark, do you have the dims for a dressed engine???

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Hi adrianburton no I don't I'v just eyedballed a freinds, it's BIG though If I where to ball park it I would say it's arround 2'-2'.5" L, 1.5'H and 1ft 4" to 1ft 6"W. RT metioned to reverse the engine trough a v-drive and I think he is right on the money, plus this might allow you to use the viper tranny, I agree with RT to use the vipers tranny as well. It probably will cost you more to modify a g-50 than to buy a used transmission. There is a rebuilt tranny on ebay for $3,000 and there is a used one on there to for $2,395.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-T56-SRT-V10-Viper-6-Speed-Transmission_W0QQitemZ130198729141QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item130198729141

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1998-VIPER-TRANSMISSION-manual-6-speed-REBUILT_W0QQitemZ370023245536QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item370023245536&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116
 
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From aV8 RX7 forum;
Overall dimensions of the Viper engine are: top to bottom - 26", front to rear - 34-1/2", width across the valve covers - 23".
 
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Here is a Viper Powered Sand Rail on You Tube


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Wow, Wire2 it must look smaller inside the car lol, ya it's very big.
 
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wire2 wrote:
From aV8 RX7 forum;
Overall dimensions of the Viper engine are: top to bottom - 26", front to rear - 34-1/2", width across the valve covers - 23".


So could this work in a Countach?..if the V-drive was used?
 
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Hmm.. If you turn the Viper engine you need some kind of drop gear or V-drive. Then you need a propshaft back to the differential. Where do you plan to route the propshaft? Under the engine means you1ll have to go through the sump. To either side of the gearbox means you'll have the differential off center..
 
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