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Post subject: Need some help starting my Chevy 283 1961  PostPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 03:57 AM
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This setup seems right, but then again I don't know for sure. Does this seam correct?

Thanks for looking

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Post subject: RE: Need some help starting my Chevy 283 1961  PostPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 11:27 AM
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Do not run a wire from the coil to starter or vice versa. Get that wire outta there.
The coil + side should have a constant 12V from the key in the run position and be live during the crank process. Install the resistor in this wire anywhere.
The - neg side of the coil goes directly to the points/condensor inside the distributor.

The small wire on the starter motor 'S' terminal, should be connected through the safety switch on the clutch pedal. It should only be live during the crank process.

The alternator wire should NOT be connected to the coil + either, it will feedback while running and you can remove the key and the engine will not shut off.

The alternator wire should go through the dash idiot light. One side of the idiot light will be + with the key on, the other side will go the alternator terminal. (without seeing the alternator connections I can't tell you which terminal)

The way you have it now it will crank all the time the key is on.

BTW, This type of distributor allows you to set the points with the engine running. Borrow and old fashioned 'Dwell Meter' to do this. This is an easy process. Or you can just listen to it to get the smoothest engine for now.

If you want I can draw this up for you. Let me know

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PLEASE DRAW!!!!!!!!! Thanks.

Here the alternator wiring.

Later

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I will draw it now. The S terminal at that alternator is 12V+ always (connect it to battery)
The I Terminal is connected through the bulb > I will draw it.

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Here ya go.
http://stweb.peelschools.org/sssweb/TTI-WEB/cars/newfoldr/simplewiring.jpg


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Post subject: Need some help starting my Chevy 283 1961  PostPosted: Apr 08, 2010 - 02:25 AM
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Jim , Greg :
Jim i am not trying to but in , but did'nt Gregs car come with resistor wiring
and i remember that some coils required resistor wiring or resistors and some did not.Please don't misunderstand i am not to say any body is wrong here.

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What is a clutch switch?



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Greg:
I have no idea for that year model about a clutch switch. Don't remember
any of my cars having one from that era. Sorry.

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Greg, I put in a clutch switch for my build. It is just a simple switch that clicks "ON" when the clutch is depressed. I used a limit switch. When you put that inline with the power line to the starter solenoid, it will only allow the car starter to crank if the clutch pedal is pushed in. That way you can't accidentally start the car in gear and have it take off on you.

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No luck on engine start. The coil may or may not be good, so the guy I got from told me.

I have gas to the carburetor.
Engine starter turns the engine.
Positive input to the coil.

Any other ideas?

Your right RT. This old coil states on the side to use a resistor.

Greg



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Take the coil wire out of the distributor cap and place it about 1/4" away from a ground, like the intake manifold. DO NOT touch it when cranking you will get shocked if it works properly.
You should see a spark jump to ground when cranking. If no..
Fasten a short piece of wire to the NEG side of the coil, turn the key on, and scratch this short wire to ground. (no need to crank it) The coil wire should spark to ground. If no...
Bypass the resistor and see if it works with a full 12volts. If no...
Replace the coil.
My guess right now is the points are not set properly. With the distributor cap off and the distributor rotor off you will see the points. When the points 'cam follower' is on a lobe there should be about a 0.030" gap and they must close when off the lobe.
During cranking with power to the coil you should see small sparks at the point contacts.

Dewey, Greg is using a Cavalier pedal set and they had a switch built into the clutch pedal for the starter.


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Post subject: Need some help starting my Chevy 283 1961  PostPosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 02:16 AM
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Greg:
If you have a dwell meter , set the points at 28-32 degrees but of course
the engine must be running and you have'nt gotten there yet so adjust the points with the rubbing block on the flat part of the dist cam to .016-.019 also if you live in a damp climate you will want to run some fine sandpaper between
the 2 contacts this can cause the engine to not fire , then follow thur with the step by step instructions Jim gave you.If you need additional call me at home and i will try to help you.251/510-7744.

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Post subject: RE: Need some help starting my Chevy 283 1961  PostPosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 04:03 AM
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That engine won't run until you get some oil or dirt on it someplace.

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jdinner wrote:
Take the coil wire out of the distributor cap and place it about 1/4" away from a ground, like the intake manifold. DO NOT touch it when cranking you will get shocked if it works properly.
You should see a spark jump to ground when cranking. If no.. NO
Fasten a short piece of wire to the NEG side of the coil, turn the key on, and scratch this short wire to ground. (no need to crank it) The coil wire should spark to ground. If no...NO
Bypass the resistor and see if it works with a full 12volts. If no...NO
Replace the coil. Ordering coil now.
My guess right now is the points are not set properly. With the distributor cap off and the distributor rotor off you will see the points. When the points 'cam follower' is on a lobe there should be about a 0.030" gap and they must close when off the lobe.
During cranking with power to the coil you should see small sparks at the point contacts.

Dewey, Greg is using a Cavalier pedal set and they had a switch built into the clutch pedal for the starter.


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OK!! You've had the whole weekend, any updates?

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