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Post subject:   PostPosted: Apr 12, 2010 - 04:10 AM
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Jim, relax it's only been two days since he ordered the coil, lol. He'll proably get the new one tomorrow or Tuesday.
Greg, I wasn't making fun of you. That engine and it's accessories are about as clean a setup as I have ever seen.
I'd be willing to bet the engine will fire right up with the new coil.

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Post subject: Need some help starting my Chevy 283 1961  PostPosted: Apr 13, 2010 - 04:21 AM
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GREG:
We are all waiting for the big moment , so how is it going?
Do you live close to Chino?


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Post subject: RE: Need some help starting my Chevy 283 1961  PostPosted: Apr 15, 2010 - 03:54 AM
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Still no luck.

Things I've checked.

.16 gap at points
Points not burnt
When rotating distributor by hand I can see spark at the point.
Coil plug will jump to ground when cracking to create arc.

Spark plugs are not getting spark. When removed and grounded to chassis.

Removed spark plug 1 and cranked engine to find when compression hint, then checked the location on the distributor cap and the location of the rotor.


I F>CKING HATE BUILDING THIS CAR!

Anymore ideas?

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Check the condensor. Better yet pull the points distributor and stick in an HEI unit. If you have spark at the points and not at the plugs check the cap and rotor, maybe the wires too. I had a rotor get a crack in it and it was grounding through the shaft and so no spark at the plugs.
 
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Do the plug wires spark when they are individually removed from the plugs and held 1/8" to 1/4" from ground. Once I had a set of wires that felt like they were seated in the cap but were not. It took a while to figure that one out.

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Greg, you say you have a spark jumping to ground when the points open...correct?

If true-
1) Make sure the distributor rotor is installed correctly.

2) Remove #1 spark plug, (left front) click the motor over slowly until you feel compression in the cylinder - use your finger in the spark plug hole.
Now stop when you feel compression. Your timing marks at the front pulley should be really close, align them to around 5 degrees before zero.

3) Remove the distributor cap now and look to see where the rotor is pointing...put a piece of tape outside the distributor so you can see where it was pointing with the cap back on.

4) Reinstall the cap. Aligned with the tape better be #1 spark plug wire. If not, remove all the wires from the distributor cap and start over making the cap socket aligned with the tape #1 ignition wire.

5) #1 is left front cylinder, #2 is right front. Left bank is 1, 3, 5, 7. Right bank is 2,4,6,8.
Install the wires in a clockwise rotation with the wires going in this order.
18436572.

6) That engine should fire now if there is gas in it.

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Post subject: Need some help starting my Chevy 283 1961  PostPosted: Apr 15, 2010 - 11:17 PM
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Greg:
Check the distributor cap and see if the carbon is in place dead center where the spring on top of the rotor rides , if it is gone it won't fire at all. These fall out sometimes.
Has it backfired any at all?


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Post subject: RE: Need some help starting my Chevy 283 1961  PostPosted: Apr 16, 2010 - 04:17 AM
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Gas! A little gas in the carburetor throat to "prime" it?

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Post subject: RE: Need some help starting my Chevy 283 1961  PostPosted: Apr 16, 2010 - 05:01 AM
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Chino is like 60 miles away.

Update

The guy I got the motor from stopped by today.

We couldn't get spark out of the coil. Thinking it was the the condenser, we changed the point/condenser all-in-one unit with new point with remote condenser. Then retarded the distributor about a 1/4 inch.

The engine guy wasn't here when I changed everything out.

My question is if I'm testing the spark by hand and it works. Why then doesn't it work when the engine is cranking?

I'm thinking there isn't any power source during cranking.

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It sure looks like the coil is not getting power (12 V+ on the + side) during crank mode.
The Cavalier column has a wire that is meant for ignition and it stays live in run and crank.
To test this theory, grab a scrap piece of wire, connect it to the coil + side and the other end to the battery cable +.
Just leave this wire here until it starts then remove it.

If it works I suggest looking for this column wire with a test light and connect it to the coil + side.

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G, I agree with the HEI deal, if I were you I would try and run a new dist altogether. You are really close and like JD said it must be in your ignition/column.

You'll get there!
 
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Ok something is happening. I was using the post at the starter solenoid as the key start positive. So when I removed it, I removed the power. Not knowing about the column wire that uses the hot "key-on-start" would cause the problem.

Now I'm getting spark at the plugs, and I was able to hear a small amount of compression/engine start.

After cranking all day the battery was pretty drained. I'll recharge and test later today.

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Getting close!!!

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ENGINE START!

Thanks for the help everybody


Ok noW! it's running rough and won't stay running if I get off the gas.

Also it seams like its always hard to turn the engine over.

Any ideas? Is is a matter of adjusting the distributor?

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adjust your timing, it sounds like it may be advanced to a bit far

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